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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 24, 2012 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

August 24th, 1985
Boreal Ridge

Billed as the Highest Elevation show in the history of the Grateful Dead, this show is notorious for being called the "Worst Grateful Dead show ever". Certainly, the heat, the dust and the hellish traffic jam on the single lane in all contributed, however it was the elevated stage placement (see the photo below), the endless equipment gremlins, the wind blowing the sound away and a very crabby Jerry push this show to this distinction.

On tape, you will find that the show follows in much the same way as your typical 1985 show. Speedy with very little presence of a groove come to mind. I will say that I like the China>Rider, even though it is bum rushed through, there is no continuity in this show and no "jam' to speak of...while I've attended some pretty awful shows myself (don't try to hide 05-19-1995, I see you) this show is like going to prom with a hot chick only for her to get hives and puke on your tux...the Lovelight is shameful...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-08-24.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.106195.flac16


http://reno.metromix.com/content_image/thumbnail/3x4/223/1213238

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 24, 2012 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

The "Day Tripper" deserves special mention for being a bad idea for them (lack of "self awareness" as a band),and a stinky performance , and high level of "suckatude" . As you can see by the comments, there are those that defend the show, even think it is good . I guess I am in the middling to bad camp . Like all Dead shows, it has it's moments .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 24, 2012 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

Lack of self awareness? Don't know about that:

Got a good reason
For takin the easy way out ...
She's a big teaser
She took me half the way there ...

Anyway, it was the last Day Tripper. In case you were counting. For comparison, here's the second to last Day Tripper ever, which was a lot of fun and the start of a hot show. Only two months earlier but a world away.

http://archive.org/details/gd1985-06-25.mtx.seamons.kutik.106640.flac16

Btw I listened to the Boreal China Rider, and aaaAAAK! Slow DOOOOWN!!!! I swear Jerry is even out of breath at the end. There's also a China Rider on 6/25, and it's fast but they're not about to bang into a tree.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 24, 2012 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

It was one of those "cool that they did it " sort of things . But if you were to play this in isolation to a Beatle fan, or even even someone attuned to this sort of music , you might get " who is this bar band with a crappy rhythm section , and inadequate singers, taking a stab a great Beatle song". But it is fun, and it IS a hot show (6/25)..
I just don't think covering tight pop songs, was playing to the Dead's strengths in the 80's , and 90s . One problem I have with their Beatle covers, is that they are not different enough to make it their own . Except I sorta like the late Garcia "Lucy In The Sky", and his "Revolution" is sort of in the "Deal" zone, right up their sleeves . But at least there Beatle covers were fun rarities . That they (Mr. Weir) played that embarrassing version of "The Last Time" so many times . Compared to the RS's menacing screeching, cars crashing, doom, their version seemed like a limp and lame tantrum . It could have worked , but it needed some rethinking ( "...so I guess you don't like their version Charlie ").
As to Boreal Ridge, besides Jerry being out of breath from the tempo ... the elevation might have been rough on some one not is the best of health...
I though of going to that one, but I am glad I didn't .

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Poster: Skobud Date: Aug 24, 2012 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

I had to listen to the 4 minute Lovelight and Day Tripper encore in honor of this TDIH. They are so so fucking terrible, the harmonies, the everything. This show really is the quintessential top shelf terd in my book.

At the end too, it sounds like they just unplug and walk the fuck off stage. No goodnight or anything. Just - clank, buzz and thats it.

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Poster: huntr Date: Aug 24, 2012 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

2nd set was one of the first dead tapes I ever had that wasnt a commercial release.. wore that shit out..

I never knew it was the supposed "worst" show ever until the internet was born..

grains of salt should be provided when this show is talked about..

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 24, 2012 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

I'd vote Highgate '95 as one of the worst shows ever. Many of the same issues, trade elevation for hordes of gate crashers and Garcia literally dying on stage. Fun Times U.S.A.

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Poster: DaveScott Date: Aug 29, 2012 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

Was 23 feet from JG at Highgate and 'twas painful to watch (I mean Phil took a phone call onstage during the beginning of one tune fer Christ's sake), but Jerry WAS trying to get off the Persian (imo) and that AIN'T easy. He coulda cancelled a year of touring to do it. Although that may've been the best thing to do, he was up there for us...warts and all. Anyhoo, I actually like Boreal Ridge.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 29, 2012 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

Highgate '94 was fun. Really liked Yassou N'Dour. Beautiful day and night. About half the people as '95. I remember me and me sweetie easily wandering around. A few songs by GD too, J/S, and LIG. Boy that UJB is the most f'ed up song I heard them play. Check out UJB from Deer Creek (7-20-94). Compare and contrast.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 24, 2012 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

06-25-1994 was so brutal it scared people, thank god 06-26 was better...

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 24, 2012 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

Not to mention it's one of the rare shows where the Dead busted out the always painful, bad idea...Rollin' and Tumblin'. Every version sounds like cats humping due to Jerry's vocals. Just listened to that again and got me thoroughly depressed.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 24, 2012 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

Oh man was it bad! Strollin' and Mumblin'

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 24, 2012 8:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

Jerry must have been having a bad day (like the rest of the band) I just listened to the Lovelight. Toward the end Bobby does his "wait a minute now!" which is a sign for the band to slow down so he can riff some lyrics. Garcia will have none of that and pushes on pull force and ends the song in 20 seconds. Sounds like he just wanted to get the hell out of Dodge at that point.

and oh yes....thanks for bringing up the horror that was those Vegas 1995 shows. Brutal

This post was modified by lobster12 on 2012-08-24 15:52:07

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 24, 2012 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

Would be interesting to see video of that moment. Like a pitcher shaking-off the catcher's sign.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 24, 2012 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

This is one of my all time favorite "shake off signs" It's from the first night of the Warlocks shows in Hampton. At the 2:09:40 mark Weir goes to Jerry with something clearly off script. Jerry gives him a laugh and a scowl and nixes the whole thing right on the spot. The band goes into Gimme Some Lovin' as planned. Weir then turns to the drummers laughing with a look that says, "Hey I tried" Would love to know what they had in mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=459QWNmg0FU

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 24, 2012 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm throwing a fastball!

I always thought Jerry shakes off a sign from Pigpen in the epic Caution from 4-8-72. Pig starts to sing about 3 min in and Jerry just plays on as if to say "not yet son."

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 24, 2012 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

Ha. I was thinking Jerry was like Quint and Bobby was Matt Hooper in jaws. Hooper is screaming for Quint to slow the boat down before he blows out the motor but Quint is so pissed and set in his ways that he keeps gunning it anyway.

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Poster: ducats Date: Aug 24, 2012 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

he wasn't even on stage for 100 minutes

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Aug 24, 2012 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

It's not that bad of a show for christs sake! There are very few here who could take the stage and perform any better. It just sounds like ol Jer's briefcase had a little too much ying and too little yang. Why is there so much negativity on the internet these days?

Frankly it's a mystery to me how the hell Garcia found the strength to even walk on stage and perform so many times during the Haggen Daz era. I'd probably have joined David Crosby under the bed to miss the tour bus. (yup, there's a real story here)

I had a client John Strawn who produced the Grass Valley show 09/18/83 and he enlightened moi to some of the details of their contracts. Trust me, no black MnM's would have been nuns speak to their requirements.

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Poster: Mooding Date: Aug 24, 2012 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge...enter at your own peril...bwahahahahaha!!!!

I'd put 5/16/69 at Campolindo High School up against anything else as worst show ever.

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